Does the Existence of Moral Evil Prove or Disprove God?

1. People deny God because moral evil exists.  They claim there is moral evil in the world and in the Bible, therefore God is either non-existent, immoral, or powerless.

2. Therefore we should live as if God does not exist, and all that exists are matter and energy.

3. But if all that exists are matter & energy, then all that happens is due to natural forces, and not moral evil. Anything we call moral evil is not truly moral evil, but merely a natural force.

4. But if moral evil does not exist, then the moral reason in (1.) does not exist, which is what was used for denying God.  Therefore the reason for denying God due to the existence of evil is not rational.

5. But we know that moral evil does exist, for all people have something that they call moral evil that exists separate and apart from our opinion.

6. Since moral evil exists, we all have some standard for right and wrong that is not based in matter and energy.

7. In summary, we either have to say (A) that there is moral evil in the world and in the Bible, and therefore there is a moral law outside of matter and energy, which denies the naturalistic worldview, or say (B) that the events in the world and in the Bible are not moral evil.

8. In either case, God is shown to not be disproved. Instead, the most reasonable answer for morality in the world is a moral law that is outside of the human mind. This we call God.

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11 Responses to Does the Existence of Moral Evil Prove or Disprove God?

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  2. Portal says:

    To be fair, I think people also deny God because they claim that there is not enough evidence (I believe in God, this is just something I have gathered by watching other people).

  3. Portal says:

    BTW I am the same person who blogged as just “Ryan” in previous posts, (for example in the threads that were started from “Was Jesus A Story That Copied Pagan Myths?” (part one).

  4. Portal says:

    Sorry I should probably post this elsewhere, but now I’ve given some more context to who I am (well, not really but anyway) I would be really interested to get your understanding on Colossians 2:8. I’ve got my own assumptions regarding this verse, but I figured that as someone who is interested in philosophy: how do you understand this verse?

    • humblesmith says:

      This is a good and important question.

      Col 2.8 tells us to make sure no one deceives us through philosophy and the traditions of men. This is wise advice, for many people in the church have been decieved through philosophy. The best way to make sure we are not deceived by empty philosophy is to make sure we recognize it when we see it. Those who ignore it do not realize it when they are presented with it, therefore they are fooled by it. If we study the thinkers of the past, we can know the deceptions when we see them.

      Further, philosophy is like gravity…….you can ignore it, and pretend it’s not there, but you can’t get away from it. Philosophy is merely thinking about questions, and it’s impossible to totally avoid thinking about questions. The command in Col. 2.8 is to not be deceived by hollow and empty philosophy. It does not say to never think in philosophical terms.

      Lastly, keep in mind the author of Colossians, Paul, was the same man who in Acts 17 spoke to the philosophers at Athens and demonstrated that he understood exactly what they taught. He even quoted one of their teachers.

      I have dealt with this exact question in more detail here:

  5. Portal says:

    Thanks four your time and post 🙂

  6. Portal says:

    My understanding is that philosophy can either lead to understanding or deception. You could argue that true philosophy never leads to deception. But empty philosophy (whether intentionally or not) encourages others to follow a fallacy. Whatever label we place on it, all philosophy is an expression of thought. This is my understanding.

    Pilate asked Christ, “What is truth?” (John 18:38). Questions regarding truth continue to echo throughout human history. My understanding of truth involves 1 Peter 2:22-25. Christians may be wary of philosophy because it can be used to deceive. However, I also assume it is important to ask questions.

    It is also important to discern. In this regard I believe there is a difference between an empty philosophy (one that lacks a foundation of truth) and a philosophy that strives to find a truth.

    However, doesn’t a lot of philosophy claim to strive to find truth?

    And here is a dilemma.

    I perceive the difficulty is that one persons understanding of truth is another persons assumption of deception.

    And in this context the responsibility is given to the individual to actively and honestly reflect, study and search for truth, wherever that may lead. Even if truth leads to somewhere that is inconvenient or unpopular doesn’t mean that truth is not worth pursuing. I believe that if you are turned towards truth, then you are going the right direction. And the only way to search for truth is by actively seeking truth. And “true philosophy” (one with this genuine agenda to seek truth) is what I understand to be the opposer of empty philosophy (since “empty” suggests that something can be filled).

    I believe that to strive to be honest regarding ourselves and following truth whatever the outcome is what separates empty philosophy from clear thinking (or however you decide to refer to it).

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